Editor’s
note: The following interview was conducted jointly for
Weekly Toyo Keizai
and Dispatch Japan. It is the fourth in a series of interviews and
commentary about Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe’s upcoming visit to
Washington. Sheila Smith is senior
fellow for Japan studies at the Council on Foreign Relations.
DISPATCH
JAPAN: Given the troubles with North Korea and China, there will be plenty for
Abe and Obama to talk about. But do you expect any specific achievements from
the summit?
SMITH: Given
events in the region, I think this will be a crisis management summit to
reaffirm the alliance. The transition in Japan makes this a good opportunity to
discuss some outstanding bilateral issues, including TPP and Okinawa. But the
real challenge for both sides will be to conduct the alliance reaffirmation in
a way that has real meaning.
In
Northeast Asia, we are facing a moment where our bilateral alliance cooperation
really matters. We see Japan in a standoff with China over the Senkakus. There
is no agreement on maritime boundaries. We’ve got a rising China with a
trajectory of military growth.
All of
the pieces are there for this to be a pretty serious heads-up for the alliance.
The deterrence message is very important, and the Obama administration has done
a good job in this area. But the risk-reduction message is also vital. Frameworks
– bilateral, trilateral, regional – somehow have to be constructed with
Beijing. I suspect there is a significant amount of interest blossoming at some
level in China, because this standoff, or worse, is clearly not helpful to
China’s longer-term interests.
Meanwhile,
this is the beginning of the second Obama administration, and the White House is
committed to a rebalancing of American force structure and overall strategic
focus toward Asia. This is a moment for the Obama administration to begin
defining and refining the rebalancing strategy.
Finally,
the economic component of the US-Japan relationship needs enhancement. TPP is
one piece of that, but there is much to be gained from a pretty frank
discussion by the two leaders about growth strategies, including the yen and
longer term economic goals, and how the alliance might work to support those
strategies.
DISPATCH
JAPAN: What do you see as Abe’s main goal?
SMITH: There has been a lot in the media
about superficial things, such as the timing of the summit, or the Kyodo report that the Obama
administration gave a firm “no” to collective self defense. Some reports seem
almost determined to find problems. I don’t think that this is the tone or
tenor of the upcoming meeting.
But
there are challenging issues, including TPP and the Henoko project to replace
the US Marine Air Station Futenma in Okinawa.
The Diet
has made progress toward ratification of the Hague convention.
The real
question is: what will the alliance accomplish? They will have to talk about
the longer-term forward deployment of US forces. It wouldn’t be a bad idea to
create some kind of strategic consultative process, not just one confined to
the Senkaku problem, but one that envisions the shape and roles of the alliance
over the next decade or two.
I
suspect Abe will want to talk about TPP, even if he is not ready or able to say
that Japan will join the talks. The president will want to hear Abe’s views on
this. We all know it poses a domestic political hurdle, but the president would
like to have a clear sense of how the prime minister plans to proceed.
DISPATCH
JAPAN: What is the Obama administration’s main goal?
SMITH: The administration is anxious to know
how much “traction” the alliance can get. There is a tendency to dub recent
problems as a “DPJ problem.” I don’t agree with that. Japanese politics are
going through a structural transition. There will be governments, like the
current Abe cabinet, that say “we have to wait until after the next election”
before we can tackle this or that issue. This is not just a problem for one
party. It is a structural problem that is as troubling for the conservatives as
it was for the liberals, and it poses a big problem for the Japanese
government.
The
Obama administration wants to embrace the alliance. But there is much more
realism in Washington now about how much can be accomplished, and how quickly.
The realism first set in while the DPJ was in office, but it has not gone away
with the LDP having come back.
There
are signals, including the rising stock market and high ratings for the
cabinet, that are positive, and people in Washington are aware of this, but the
relatively low expectations remain.
DISPATCH
JAPAN: Washington seems reluctant to appear too close to Abe with respect to
collective self-defense or open criticism of China. Is Washington comfortable
with Abe, or do his views on history and hawkish tendencies make people leery?
SMITH: There are people in Washington from
the Bush administration who have worked with Abe, but the Obama administration
needs time to get to know him. It’s best to treat him not as a former prime
minister who has come back, but rather as head of a new cabinet that just came
to office. That will enable the White House to get a feel for Abe’s
perspectives, on the ‘history’ issue, on collective self defense, and other
issues.
There
definitely are questions in Washington about exactly what Abe means by
‘collective self-defense.’ People would like to get beyond the campaign slogans
of “constitutional revision” and “reinterpreting collective self-defense,” so
as to get down to the actual details of what that would mean for force posture,
for interoperability between US and Japanese forces, and for roles and
missions.
The
administration would like to know in more concrete ways what his policies are
aiming at. For example, when Defense Minister Onodera said he planned to throw
out the existing National Defense Program Guidelines, most of us in Washington collectively
groaned: “Why? What’s wrong with the ‘dynamic deterrence’ policies outlined in
the current NDPG?”
The
feeling in the administration is a desire for less of the political coloring of
these issues, and more of the concrete details.
Then
there is the broader issue of ‘history,’ especially ‘comfort women.’ What does
Mr. Abe plan to do? Does he want to issue a new statement, while not replacing
the Murayama statement? There are still big questions about the prime
minister’s intentions, particularly with regard to Japan’s relations with South
Korea. These are not really questions of history of Japan’s wartime activities.
The issue really is the viability of Japan’s bilateral relationship with the
ROK.
People
are watching closely Mr. Abe’s efforts to reach out to South Korea, not simply
on a strategic level, but really the broader process of reconciliation and
accommodation. This is where Abe’s personal views, and those of some of his
cabinet members, will be very important.
We are
all looking to see how Mr. Abe will treat the upcoming Takeshima Day, how
Minister Shimomura will handle textbook revision, and other issues that could
have an impact on Japan-ROK relations.
It is
well-known that the prime minister and some of his cabinet members have very
explicit personal views. But people are willing to wait and see how they
proceed as a government, and make judgments once specific policies emerge.
Given
the strategic environment in East Asia, particularly after the recent North
Korean nuclear test, Japan and South Korea cannot afford to not move in the
direction of a broad accommodation. It is very much in Japan’s strategic
interests, equally important perhaps as it is to strengthen the US-Japan
alliance.
DISPATCH
JAPAN: Abe has ruled out entry into the TPP talks for now. Will Japan
eventually join the talks?
SMITH: The DPJ and the LDP face the same
problem: what is going to happen with Japanese agriculture? How much is any
Japanese prime minister willing to risk politically to mobilize for agriculture
reform? How much is the prime minister willing to use TPP as a tool for
promotion of economic competitiveness?
We need
Japan to join because that would greatly strengthen TPP. But Japan needs to do
so pretty quickly so as to fully participate. Right now, the talks are
proceeding without any voice from Japan. It really boils down to whether Japan
wants to be pro-active about open markets and competitiveness, or wants to stay
in the old mode of incrementalism.
In
reality, Abe will probably have to win a huge Upper House election victory to
make this possible. And he would still have to convince an awful lot of his own
LDP Diet delegation to go along. The consensus-building won’t start until after
the Upper House election. No LDP member will want to go into that election
campaigning on a pro-TPP platform.
Unfortunately,
with the TPP talks supposed to wrap up by the end of this year, that would mean
Japan would not be able to catch up and influence the final outcome.
DISPATCH
JAPAN: Abe announced he will not move forward for now with the next step for
the Henoko project to replace Futenma (the landfill request to Okinawa). If Abe
can’t get the Henoko project moving, who can? Or is it effectively dead?
SMITH: This is certainly not the first
government in Tokyo to lack enthusiasm about tackling Okinawa basing issues. Ryutaro
Hashimoto was the most pro-active. Junichiro Koizumi was very pro-alliance, but
he was not visibly pro-active about Okinawa the way Hashimoto was. Most
politicians see only trouble, and no rewards, in becoming heavily involved in
Okinawa base issues.
The
politics are also more complicated on Okinawa since the days of Hashimoto as
prime minister. People often say: wait and see what happens in the next
election. In Okinawa, there is always a “next election,” often within six
months – governor, prefectural assembly, Nago mayor. There is always something.
But the
trend lines have shifted considerably against the Henoko project. Local LDP
leaders in Okinawa are openly against the Futenma Replacement facility plan for
Henoko. For example, Naha Mayor Onaga led the recent protests that went to
Hibiya Park in Tokyo.
We used
to think of this as a progressive-left vs. conservative-right issue, and if the
conservatives would just come back all would be fine. But it is much more
complicated than that.
There is
a new reality in the balance among and within Japan’s political parties. You
don’t have the same people representing Tokyo and Okinawa. Trust was never very
deep between Tokyo and Okinawa, but now there is even less than in the past. Tokyo
is going to have to work very hard to win back the conservatives recently
elected to the Okinawa prefectural assembly. They openly campaigned against the
Henoko project.
I have
thought for quite some time that the Henoko project is the least realistic of our
options. Now, that is even more the case, with both liberals and conservatives
on Okinawa lined up against it.
Can
Abe-san shift that? We’ll have to see. Japan hasn’t had a conservative prime
minister in quite some time. In any case, it will take time.
Unlike
other issues, such as abductees or revision of the Constitution, Okinawa basing
is not an issue on which Mr. Abe has been outspoken. We don’t know what he
really thinks. But given everything else he has to deal with before the Upper
House election, I cannot imagine that this is high on his priority list.